aftermarket upgrades shortens engine lifespan

[bmw4life13]

i was thinking about chipping my ride when i recently read an article from a reputable magazine that placing aftermarket mods to increase performance really shortens the lifespan of the car's engine. needless to say i was very dissapointed after reading this. what do you guys think?

 

[QuickCivicGuy]

i was thinking about chipping my ride when i recently read an article from a reputable magazine that placing aftermarket mods to increase performance really shortens the lifespan of the car's engine. needless to say i was very dissapointed after reading this. what do you guys think?

I would rather spend more time enjoying the precious moments of my much faster modified car than putting along trying to eek out every last mile out of the motor

10mpg 10 sec car or 40 mpg 18 sec car?

I will forgo the whinning about the gas and enjoy the rush

 

[PuShAkOv]

QuickCivicGuy: your name suggests that you are a ricer... is that true?

 

[JamieD22]

This just in: plants needs both sun and water to survive.

In most cases the magazine is probably right. Though there are some applications by OEM spec manufacturers (e.g: Dinan) that are true upgrades.

Push, his sig suggests that he could stomp your ass in a quarter mile. His name suggests the means.

 

[bmw4life13]

Re: Re: aftermarket upgrades shortens engine lifespan

I would rather spend more time enjoying the precious moments of my much faster modified car than putting along trying to eek out every last mile out of the motor

10mpg 10 sec car or 40 mpg 18 sec car?

I will forgo the whinning about the gas and enjoy the rush

i would agree with you if i were also driving a honda. however, i'm pretty sure everyone on this board that owns a bimmer would like to make sure it drives well as long as they can own it....no i'm not trying to come off as a snob but there is a HUGE difference between a honda civic and a bimmer.... the're not even in the same league...come to think of it we're not even talking about the same sport!!!!![fake]

 

[JamieD22]

4life13 - Easy now, you are talking about the same goal here; to modify your stock vehicle and make it quicker. Though CivicGuy, you have to understand you're comparing apples to oranges. One is a luxury car, the other an economy car - obviously you have to be a bit more careful when playing with a $30k or $40k+ car!

You're right to be skeptical of 'performance modifications', as there are far too many that hurt more than they help. Why don't you get a little more specific though, what is your point? Are you looking to mod a certain aspect of your vehicle?

 

[Kirby]

Can you tell us where to find that article?

I think it could run a wide range of possibilities:
1. If the chip only removed RPM limits, then no harm could be done unless the DRIVER over revs.
2. If they adjusted only known, understood parameters, probably no harm done. Why would a prgrammer want the word to get out that his code shortens your engine life?
3. If they are tuning for max power at all costs, without regard to emissions controls and potential engine damage caused by improper programming (too far advanced timing, etc.), well then anything is possible.

 

[QuickCivicGuy]

Re: Re: Re: aftermarket upgrades shortens engine lifespan

i would agree with you if i were also driving a honda. however, i'm pretty sure everyone on this board that owns a bimmer would like to make sure it drives well as long as they can own it....no i'm not trying to come off as a snob but there is a HUGE difference between a honda civic and a bimmer.... the're not even in the same league...come to think of it we're not even talking about the same sport!!!!![fake]

Riiight.....because the bimmer has better resale? Lower maintainence costs?

I would imagine even closed mined ignorance would be setoff by the understood FACT that Hondas are both realiable and have better resale value....wonder why that is...hmm

See the difference is I bought my car to go fast while also being practicle for an 18yr old budget......now at 23 my car is as fast as many exotics, gets 30 mpg and is under "economy car" for insurance......quick, cheap and practical.

I dont need to spend money to "show off" I would rather use that cash flow to add to my portfolio and investments so I can buy my Ferrari sooner....but if you wanna pretend a 40K bimmer makes you a "better person" humbling you in a naturally aspirated 4cyl is all the more reason to laugh at you.......do you really think people care what you drive? I will let you in on a little secret some day when you really have money youll understand how silly it is to look down on others because of what they drive.....half the time people who make this comarison dont even OWN the car they have, are still financing it and try to poke fun....I am smart enough at 23 to limit my liabilites and only bite off what my cashflow can chew.....I have no reason to "impress" others....why do that when I can humble them in a few seconds, on a road course drag strip or at their "members only" club.

I forgot how petty some people are

 

[QuickCivicGuy]

QuickCivicGuy: your name suggests that you are a ricer... is that true?

Ricer huh? I am a local track champion and having been racing in some form since I was 11...motorsports and cars are what I love most......ricer indeed

I came here to talk to M coupe owners and do a little research and I find guys with little car knowledge that are quick to slam a car that could mop the floor with them....I am a RACER....the chassis and its origins are nothing to me....the goal is whats important but I understand brand loyalty......

 

[junglestylz]

Did it ever occur to you that the reason SOME Hondas have a better resale value is because of who owns them. Most people won't beat on a civic or accord. If somebody buys an M3 they are going to beat on it. If you don't believe that BMW's are in a whole different class than Honda then you are in for serious f@cking disappoinment. That is an ignorant statement in itself. I drive a bimmer, but it is a shitty old one. I do not pretend that my cars make puts me in a higher class, I just simply would rather have my little 1985 318i than a Honda Civic. How many 1985 Hondas Civics have you seen that have a resale of $2000 with 150,000 miles on them¿ Answer. NONE! Why, because people pay more for the car in the first place. It is wrong to think of yourself as better than everybody else because of what you drive. I don't dislike ricers because of what they drive, but rather by how they act(I can can use the word they here because I base this label on people that I have seen in action. It is my label you put on anbody that follows certain criteria). Despite your name, you may not be a ricer. Just like Braht isn't even though he drives an NSX. However, for you to say that Honda is in some way a better car is completely retarded. You can say that they are better than Toyota, or VW, but by the way you said it (resale value, and cost to maintain) you are also saying that it makes them better than Porsche, Mercedes, Audi, Jaguar, Volvo, Saab, or any other car that has a price that depreciates faster over time. Did it ever occur to you that the whole Honda thing is a FAD and that's what the resale value is based on¿ Can't help but to think of one other car this happened with. The original VW Beetle. You might want to think about what you say more closely. These cars are not in the same class. If for some reason you are right and they are in the same class as BMW, congradulations because you just proved damn near every respectable editor, writer, and automobile magazine owner wrong.

 

[j2azz]

I like my M3 and think it looks better than any Civic. I don't think I'm in any sort of a higher class than anyone, I just think it looks better than any Civic, modded or not.
You should drive what you want. Has nothing to do with performance or speed or class or money. There are several cars you could drop 40k (car + mods total) and smoke me in handling, acceleration and top speed any day of the week. But I picked the M3 still. So IMHO I guess my point is its all personal oppinion.

 

[junglestylz]

....Has nothing to do with performance or speed or class or money.....

It does have some to do with performance, and it has a lot to do with money. In order to drive what I really want, I would have to have a couple extra hundred thousand dollars sitting around. Class is something totally different. If you throw 20's on an E30, you have no class in my book. If you drive a very nice Acura with tasteful aftermarket parts, you do have class. If you throw a HUGE double decker, just put it on so I can she if she will fly, totally obnoxious, had to beef up the susp. on the back end because it is so heavy, probably made so cheaply that it would fall apart if any real pressure was put on it, sushi bar wing on the back of a front wheel drive vehicle, is stupid and without class. What Braht has done with the NSX is classy. As far as fast goes, even Hyundai made a fast car (the new tiburon), but what can I say. Even the sun shines on a dogs @ss somedays.

 

[mrferg]

....Did it ever occur to you that the whole Honda thing is a FAD and that's what the resale value is based on¿....

Holy crap, I never thought of it that way, but it is sooo true!

 

[junglestylz]

The same thing happened with the Volkswagen Jetta's and Mustang fox bodies in the eighties.

 

[ooo000HITMAN000ooo]

Thats nice that you drive a honda and that you like it......But dont go act like you are better than them...

I drive a new 2003 mazda 6 and I think it is a very nice car. But i dont go after a bmw owner saying i am better than them. BMWs are in a dif. class than my mazda..some how i just cant describe it..But i could care less about that because i love my car.

HEY I HAVE A WING ON THE BACK OF MY CAR BUT ITS JUST FOR LOOKS!!! and i like it on there i think it looks good...

AND THE BMW OWNERS KNOW ALOT ABOUT BMWS!! and if you want to know something about a specific car try going to that forum

HAVE A NICE DAY!!

 

[junglestylz]

Do you have to put a jack under your trunk lid to keep it open¿ If not then that statement doesn't apply to you.

 

[ooo000HITMAN000ooo]

no lol

 

[PuShAkOv]

Quick Honda Dude...

First, you have chosen the wrong forum to talk about this.
Second, how can you be a true racer and not know that punie civic engine be better than BMW's. It is not just the engine, its a whole car in itself.

I bet your car has a free-flow exhaust , tinted windows and hrome rims. = ricer since its civic and that will do shit.

I will let you in on a little secret some day when you really have money

Let me tell you a little secret of my own.

I am 19 and make more money now than you will ever make...so I think I should get myself a Ferrari ... umm.. sooner than you will... with the lexuries of driving a nice car nowand living now.

Its good to save up,.. but don't say Civic is a better car for financial reasons. That would make a Ferrari a terrible car.

now at 23 my car is as fast as many exotics

I think the one on top is going faster:

 

[QuickCivicGuy]

Did it ever occur to you that the reason SOME Hondas have a better resale value is because of who owns them. Most people won't beat on a civic or accord. If somebody buys an M3 they are going to beat on it. If you don't believe that BMW's are in a whole different class than Honda then you are in for serious f@cking disappoinment. That is an ignorant statement in itself. I drive a bimmer, but it is a shitty old one. I do not pretend that my cars make puts me in a higher class, I just simply would rather have my little 1985 318i than a Honda Civic. How many 1985 Hondas Civics have you seen that have a resale of $2000 with 150,000 miles on them¿ Answer. NONE! Why, because people pay more for the car in the first place. It is wrong to think of yourself as better than everybody else because of what you drive. I don't dislike ricers because of what they drive, but rather by how they act(I can can use the word they here because I base this label on people that I have seen in action. It is my label you put on anbody that follows certain criteria). Despite your name, you may not be a ricer. Just like Braht isn't even though he drives an NSX. However, for you to say that Honda is in some way a better car is completely retarded. You can say that they are better than Toyota, or VW, but by the way you said it (resale value, and cost to maintain) you are also saying that it makes them better than Porsche, Mercedes, Audi, Jaguar, Volvo, Saab, or any other car that has a price that depreciates faster over time. Did it ever occur to you that the whole Honda thing is a FAD and that's what the resale value is based on¿ Can't help but to think of one other car this happened with. The original VW Beetle. You might want to think about what you say more closely. These cars are not in the same class. If for some reason you are right and they are in the same class as BMW, congradulations because you just proved damn near every respectable editor, writer, and automobile magazine owner wrong.

Resale is based on many things.....one being perceived value and practicality. Why would someone want to buy a car if they felt it was going to cost them X amount too much to maintain vs. what the car is worth. Accords have had VERY strong resale values long before the supposed "fad" of modified Honda's due to the fact everybody knows Hondas are well engineered, built to tight tolerances and priced very reasonably and are very very reliable.

Having said that BMW makes nice cars but Honda had to come up with the name "Acura" to market an upscale product due to Americans perceived "value" of Honda. In europe BMW's and Mercedes are taxi cabs for crying out loud....there are specific model designations and model trim levels of course so a new TL-S Acura against a similar BMW and your telling me the Honda product is THAT inferior....its not but people want to beleive by paying more you automatically get more....such is not always the case...so when people try to knock "cheaper" cars or brands simply based on PERCEPTION

The car I have WAS an economy car....but its still a Honda....its not a "luxury" car because I didnt want "luxury".....I never said any car was "better" than any other but to sit back and let others spew ignorance is not something I let just fly either...

I am in the market for an M coupe.....its pretty much the harshest chassis BMW uses but its right up my alley....looks only a mother could love and all the muscle to humble larger machines with larger motors...its got great balance, its an FR and tuners have been able to do some great things with the chassis........at the very back of all that was it happens to be a BMW and it looks awesome.

I have dealt with enough vehicles to know you dont keep them because they make you money (race cars are not cheap) and parts dont last forever....its how much your commited to the car/chassis/setup that will establish how long you keep the car...not the badge on the hood (unless of course your a poseur and then we know they spend oodles of cash just to "own" the car even if they dont have the time to drive it )

My name has Civic in it.......a car with 30+ years of history and many of which include motorsports competition...N1, enduro's, rally....but like most of the time peoples perception isnt.....man that car weighs 2300lbs and has 215hp with a fully adj suspension.....its "its a civic".....peoples perceptions are their reality and their ability to see past what has been engrained into the heads is a big step to say the least but once someone is able to do that they will be apart of a much larger realm of being an ENTHUSIAST.....badges become cannon fodder for petty people

 

[PuShAkOv]

Why would you want to trade a car that is faster than most exotic cars for an //M? Most exotic cars are faster than M3s... why would you want to trade your fast civic for a slow M, M3 or any other good car on the market?

P.S.
Give me one place that has BMWs as taxis.