Forbidden thoughts about 9/11: The readers respond

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Again I am miss quoted.

You start your post; “Because of the the fact that I am 19, read the news, and know a hell of alot about this country than a lot of people than the "general public" as you like to call it,…” If you are trying to compare reading the news to first hand experience, (I was there and did that) you are making a sad comparison. Further reading the news is getting one biased side of a story. And you are a member of the general public, general meaning applying to a whole genus, kind, class, or order and public meaning concerning the people as a whole.

Then you said; “Granted at 19 I still have a lot to learn about life, but I still will at 30 too. You learn everyday.” By your own logic then you know more at 40 than at 19, or more at 50 than at 30, right? Next you said, “Because I am not 19 am i not allowed to have an opinion?” I did not say he could not have an opinion, I merely stated that at 19 he could not know all there is to know about this scenario. Now is that a fact or not? Try reading the post without emotion and not jumping to conclusions.

Next you said, “I wouldnt be given these rights by our federal government if they didnt think that I was at an age of maturity to do so.” Are saying because the Federal Government gives you the right to vote and serve in the military they, the government must know more than you for making this wise decision and giving you those "rights"?

You go on to say that "Most people who are 25 wish for what I have, but are too immature to have it." So where did you get that fact from, most people 25 are too immature to have what you have? I guess you mature at 19 and then lose that maturity at 25?
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Then you make this bold statement, “I saw just as much death, destruction and hatred as everyone else did on 9/11”. No you did not, you were not there were you? Have you been in the trenches, lifted the dead bodies, and watched a man or woman die in your arms? Those people have seen a lot more death and destruction than you have.

And congratulations, you have been through war, not much of one if your talking about the Gulf war and the War on Iraq (no offense to vets, I admire and respect you for your service anywhere anytime). I have lived through WWII and the Vietnam War. My father served in the Korean War, WWII and two tours in Vietnam, so I believe it is fair to say that I have some experiences there. I never said that 19 year olds cannot have opinions, nor did I say they were not wise enough to listen to. Those are your words; you cannot find them in my post. My 24 year old son and his 22 year old sister are very wise, but still have heaps to learn about life.

“If I were to write a response on that page that the link sent me to on the 1st post on this page, i bet you wouldnt be able to tell whether i was white, black, asian, 16 or 45! take an opinion for what it it worth, not who is saying it.” Ok and so what has this got to do with anything I said?

And this is my opinion, based on experience, life experience and fact.

Sorry Wadula, you cannot take my post out of context, divide the sentence up and misquote me. I said that being 19 he could not possibily know all there is to know about this scenario. That is factual and does not imply being 19 he cannot know all there is to know about english, or rowing a boat, or that you cannot know something about this scenario or any other scenario. My son in engineering school, knows more about engineering than I, however he does not know all there is to know about engineering.
 

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Germany (WW2) and communist Russia actually (Lenin, Stalin).

As for the whole Iraqi war deal. If we go over to help the hundreds of thousands of people that are being starved, raped, and murdered, everyone says we should stay out of there business. If we stayed out of their business and said "it's not our problem" these very same people would be saying we were being selfish, p()ssies.
 
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jungle, nice viewing angle.

i see it that way. the US government stated that Iraq is in posession of WMD and a major thread to the US. Well, the rest of the world, including states in europe did not know if there were those WMD or not. With that said, some states in europe weren't sure and when you are not sure you can not say " heck we invade them anyway". The US were not sure either but they sold it to their people. now that is propaganda. in fact false propaganda.

and a last note, don't refer to europe in total as many states were with you, many were against you and some had said nothing so don't include them. that could be held as propaganda too. [;)]
 
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this will be my last answer to this thread.

Big Daddy said:


Sorry Wadula, you cannot take my post out of context, divide the sentence up and misquote me. I said that being 19 he could not possibily know all there is to know about this scenario. That is factual and does not imply being 19 he cannot know all there is to know about english, or rowing a boat, or that you cannot know something about this scenario or any other scenario. My son in engineering school, knows more about engineering than I, however he does not know all there is to know about engineering.
I explained why i said it and didn't rip apart your post. don't accuse me of something i did not do. i understood it the way i explained it and you do not need to come up with the rowing example. that is kind of underneath us. any way...

now, according to your explanation every one, even 100 years old who did not work where you worked is not informed enough to have an opinion on this topic. sad sad. why? because first your governemt is not able to inform their people correctly (which i am sure no country does [rolleyes] [;)] ) and second opinion is only based on facts an numbers. parameteres such as ethic and moral do not count forming an opinion.
 
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junglestylz said:
As for the whole Iraqi war deal. If we go over to help the hundreds of thousands of people that are being starved, raped, and murdered, everyone says we should stay out of there business. If we stayed out of their business and said "it's not our problem" these very same people would be saying we were being selfish, p()ssies.


SO TRUE!!!!
 

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Did you know that if the variola virus was to be let out on the population right now, it would take roughly eight months to kill off 65% of the population. It has been confirmed (by the russians) that there were mass amount (20,000 gallons) of variola created in the USSR that has since come up missing. It has also been confirmed that terrorist groups have no problem using chemical and biological weapons, and that any of a number of muslim nations bought huge amounts of weapons from the russians. It is my personal beliefe that if there was a chance of stopping some of these weapons from getting into the wrong hands, it is worth it. If you don't believe that the Iraqi's had WMD, you should actually look at the past.
 

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this will be my last answer to this thread.



I explained why i said it and didn't rip apart your post. don't accuse me of something i did not do. i understood it the way i explained it and you do not need to come up with the rowing example. that is kind of underneath us. any way...

now, according to your explanation every one, even 100 years old who did not work where you worked is not informed enough to have an opinion on this topic. sad sad. why? because first your governemt is not able to inform their people correctly (which i am sure no country does [rolleyes] [;)] ) and second opinion is only based on facts an numbers. parameteres such as ethic and moral do not count forming an opinion.
I give up. Maybe it is the language barrier, However rowing is a sport that takes talent and a lot of work, sorry if it is beneath you. And for the last time I never said he nor anyone else could not have an opinion, if you cannot accept that some peoples opinions are based on more fact than emmotion or rumor than others and via versa then I guess we have to agree to disagree. I won't address the last paragraph because I have no idea where that came from. I am going to say that you nor I will ever know the truth about WMD, however I am gald that my country had the courage to make sure he never gets to use them. Just because we cannot parade them in front of a camera does not mean that he did not have them.
 
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all that may be right, but at this incident iraq was not proven guilty of having WMD. period.
The US and the UK government stated there are WMD. period.
There was nothing found even after putting the utmost effort in that search.

both lied to the people to justify the war. they lied knowingly!

(damn i didn't want to post anymore....)
 

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You are looking for something that can be transported by hand, that weighs jess than 200 lbs., and is about the size of a set of building plans, in a country the size of Texas. They have also found definitive proof of manufacture (labs, equipment, etc.) Russia was producing thousands of Gallons and pound a year for twenty years before we found out about it.
 
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Elaborating on Junglestylz theme of "no win" positions:

If the U.S. is attacked with this virus, or another method, blame will be placed partly on the war as retaliation. "They did this because we attacked them. If we hadn't started the war, this might not have happened."

If we had not gone to war, the response would be "WHat's the matter with our government? Why didn't we attack them before they attacked us a SECOND time?"
 

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Wadula said:
....and exactly because we do not find anything there, it is the prove they have WMD and hide them!!!...

What kind of proof do you need¿ Millions of people quite possibly including you, your family, and your friends dying before it will be justified. They have made them, and if you make them, you will probably use them. You can make inhalational Bacillus anthracis in a basement with stuff you buy at home depot. Not to mention the research done by nations to construct an extremely virulent, non vaccine suseptable strian of the variola virus by using recombinant gene technology utilizing the IL-4 gene. We aren't talking about blowing up a building, or spraying salmonella on salad bars. We are talking about the eractication of 65% (minimum) of the entire worlds population. Roughly 3,900,000,000 people. These people won't sign the geneva conventions treaty not because they want the right to, but because they want to make serious biological weapons. We could have stopped the variola virus once and for all. We had the chance to COMPLETELY, but it would have been a purposefull irradication of a species¿ This virus killed more people than the black plague, aids, ebola, marburg, hanta, and the spanish influenza, and it should be protected¿ If we have a chance to do so, will we end up eradicating HIV¿
 
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What kind of proof do you need¿ Millions of people quite possibly including you, your family, and your friends dying before it will be justified. They have made them, and if you make them, you will probably use them. You can make inhalational Bacillus anthracis in a basement with stuff you buy at home depot. Not to mention the research done by nations to construct an extremely virulent, non vaccine suseptable strian of the variola virus by using recombinant gene technology utilizing the IL-4 gene. We aren't talking about blowing up a building, or spraying salmonella on salad bars. We are talking about the eractication of 65% (minimum) of the entire worlds population. Roughly 3,900,000,000 people. These people won't sign the geneva conventions treaty not because they want the right to, but because they want to make serious biological weapons. We could have stopped the variola virus once and for all. We had the chance to COMPLETELY, but it would have been a purposefull irradication of a species¿ This virus killed more people than the black plague, aids, ebola, marburg, hanta, and the spanish influenza, and it should be protected¿ If we have a chance to do so, will we end up eradicating HIV¿

that all sounds very technical and very very reasonable, thanks to the wide range of technical terms, but you are wrong with the assumption that you can make that stuff with lowe's equipment in your backyard. in theory maybe. in theory i could build an a-bomb. but that is the point. life is not theory. do you honestly think that the complete western world, including australia which is east and west somehow [:D] , would stand still if the possibilityof your scenery would be that big??? how come that the rest of the world does not act as the us government? because all other intel is blind? or are we sick of life?
 

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Number one, the research that was done with recombinant DNA technology to create a resistant variola virus was based on research done by two Austrlian doctor trying to create a virus that would kill the mice that they have such a problem with out there. There is a pox virus for every animal known on the planet. Secondly, I having taken microbiology classes in college could tell you how to, and what you need to make a specifically virulent strain of inhallational bacillus antracis. There is absolutely no way in HELL, that I would do such a thing as telling you, or doing it myself. Bacillus anthracis is a natural micro organism in cattle. It is an endospore forming, non-acid-fast, gram positive rod shaped bacterium, that when in spore form, can withhold to extremely high temperatures, chemical treatment, and dehydration for decades laying dormant. Before mass amounts of antibiotics were used in cattle feed, it could be found in most pastures. That is most definately all I am going to say about that.
 
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big daddy, i said nothing about you in my response. i was just saying what i want so many anal retentive "I- am - always right- period" people need to hear. i dont want people thinking because they were beorn before me, they know more than me. not saying i am genius by any means, just want people to hear what i am saying.
 


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