New York/North East blackout
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crupdawg said:
i guess reading newspapers or generally staying in contact with poeple outside your house takes away from that time too, eh?![[:D]](/images/smilies/biggrin.png "Big Grin [:D]")
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[joke]I use my PC for my news. I like cnn.com. Recently, though, I've had that stupid msblaster worm. My wife just took care of the business today, though, so we should be up and running again. I'll check it when I get home from work to make sure.
At any rate, there's nothing my PC can't do that would make me get cable or a paper. A monthly newspaper bill costs as much as DSL....except DSL is so much more versatile. Right?
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Wadula said:
right. but still, it seems as if you never leave the house. the blackout was the latest gossip at any grocer in the land ![[rofl]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_rofl.gif "ROFL [rofl]")
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Obviously there has been big talk about this in England.....the generall consensus is that rather than terrorism this time, it's more to do with America's insatiable appetite for resources that has caused the system to fail.
This of course may not be true but makes you wonder whether the US should back off a bit on the resources. It is generally agreed that if America attempted to show the world that is is not the all-consuming bull dozer of a nation all the other countries think it is, then it may gain back the respect and adoration it once had.
Not necessarily my personal view but I can see some sense in it. But I doubt that many of you would agree because it would mean, for one thing, that you pay more for your fuel.
This of course may not be true but makes you wonder whether the US should back off a bit on the resources. It is generally agreed that if America attempted to show the world that is is not the all-consuming bull dozer of a nation all the other countries think it is, then it may gain back the respect and adoration it once had.
Not necessarily my personal view but I can see some sense in it. But I doubt that many of you would agree because it would mean, for one thing, that you pay more for your fuel.
$1.63 a gallon for 93 grade. Do I pay more than you? I don't really know.
Also, you have to realize that we're not only the largest consuming nation in the world, we're also one of the largest producing nations of the world. You can't produce without consumers.
I don't quite understand why other countries hate the US for being large consumers. Isn't our population a lot larger than other countries? Also, isn't our sq. mileage a lot more? I wonder if our population/surface area were the same as other countries if our consumption wouldn't be about the same.
Also, you have to realize that we're not only the largest consuming nation in the world, we're also one of the largest producing nations of the world. You can't produce without consumers.
I don't quite understand why other countries hate the US for being large consumers. Isn't our population a lot larger than other countries? Also, isn't our sq. mileage a lot more? I wonder if our population/surface area were the same as other countries if our consumption wouldn't be about the same.
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gaz prices in the US, how high they might be for you guys, are heaven. you pay 1,50 for 93 in houston (some days ago). germany pays 1.25 for the same grade, but only like 25% of the quantity. 1 gallon = almost 4 litres....
for the US economy and environmental responsibility, the US are unfortunately not underneath the top 5 of countries taking big care of it. i think this is something that should be changed, exactly because the US are that big and play that important role.
for the US economy and environmental responsibility, the US are unfortunately not underneath the top 5 of countries taking big care of it. i think this is something that should be changed, exactly because the US are that big and play that important role.
Ok, $1.63 is about £1.10....we pay about £3.50 ($5.00) a gallon. So yes, you pay a lot less.
I realise that the US does produce a lot, hence the strong influence/economy etc. But as I understand it, you consume more than you produce which resulted in the Bush/Blair Iraq thing.
If your lights have gone out because there is nothing to left to burn, I don't see what choice you have.
I realise that the US does produce a lot, hence the strong influence/economy etc. But as I understand it, you consume more than you produce which resulted in the Bush/Blair Iraq thing.
If your lights have gone out because there is nothing to left to burn, I don't see what choice you have.
I don't think everybody hates the US, I think it would be wrong to presume that. What angers people is America's lack of respect for other cultures and nationalities. It's almost as if we don't exist.
America has forgotten where it originated from, and whilst we accept America's influence on our nations, we don't want to become it. After all of we did want to be American, we would have gotten on the boat.
I think this is what angers people like Osama Bin Laden, and whilst I can understand why he would feel this way, I could never condone his actions. But then if you were invaded by Iraq and had its troops patrolling the streets New York, Boston or wherever, how would you feel? If it was like that here in England, there would be a lot more exploded Hummers on the streets than there currently is in Iraq.
America has forgotten where it originated from, and whilst we accept America's influence on our nations, we don't want to become it. After all of we did want to be American, we would have gotten on the boat.
I think this is what angers people like Osama Bin Laden, and whilst I can understand why he would feel this way, I could never condone his actions. But then if you were invaded by Iraq and had its troops patrolling the streets New York, Boston or wherever, how would you feel? If it was like that here in England, there would be a lot more exploded Hummers on the streets than there currently is in Iraq.
the black out was not due to lack of resources for the ebergy production. it was a grid problem wasn´t it?
i think that we have to be very carefull when saying the americans think this and do that. I made the experience that very often the people you talk to day by day think different than the picture the government sets up tells us.
saying that the US does this or that, usually refers to the government and not all the people
i think that we have to be very carefull when saying the americans think this and do that. I made the experience that very often the people you talk to day by day think different than the picture the government sets up tells us.
saying that the US does this or that, usually refers to the government and not all the people
Wadula, I agree totally, I have the utmost respect for American people but that Bush guy is doing you no good whatsoever.
Watching him give a speech is like watching a character from a Wild West show. The problem is that he is obviously driven by his voters, so if you want gasoline for less than the cost price, you have to send him into Iraq to get it for you.
Whilst BMW's are excused, those SUV things are a disgrace. Why anyone would want to drive those things is beyond me, slow, thirsty, shit handling. They are the fashionable equivalent of a London bus.
Watching him give a speech is like watching a character from a Wild West show. The problem is that he is obviously driven by his voters, so if you want gasoline for less than the cost price, you have to send him into Iraq to get it for you.
Whilst BMW's are excused, those SUV things are a disgrace. Why anyone would want to drive those things is beyond me, slow, thirsty, shit handling. They are the fashionable equivalent of a London bus.
i found three very valueable aspects concerning SUV´s. first is that they offer a very decent overview of the traffic surrounding you. second they have, for the one who needs, a fairly huge amount of space and third (what follows is good for one - bad for another though) they surround you with a lot of metal. a normal crash, some one slams into your back or you hit another one, the suv normally "wins". the other one of course is screwed which is the negative part of it ![[rolleyes]](/images/smilies/rolleyes.png "Roll Eyes (Sarcastic) [rolleyes]")
rant on
We are from a great many countries NOT JUST ENGLAND! While we won our Independence from England, We love England! me included! They have been our GREATEST ali for a long time! remember the US is a melting pot of all the worlds nations!!! even Iraq! ALL ARE WELCOME! that is what made us strong.
Triv, whether you accept our influence or not and wheather you like us or not, I will stand next to you when called upon, not because you or our president ask's but because I believe in England, and its part of my personal ancestry.
Peace
rant off!
We are from a great many countries NOT JUST ENGLAND! While we won our Independence from England, We love England! me included! They have been our GREATEST ali for a long time! remember the US is a melting pot of all the worlds nations!!! even Iraq! ALL ARE WELCOME! that is what made us strong.
Triv, whether you accept our influence or not and wheather you like us or not, I will stand next to you when called upon, not because you or our president ask's but because I believe in England, and its part of my personal ancestry.
Peace
rant off!
Explain this lack of respect. I'm not following you. You're accusing an entire nation (250 million people) of not respecting your culture. Tell me how.
I wouldn't say a lack of respect for other cultures...if anything, people are ignorant. Since the US is so large and so far from foreign nations (Europe), there is nothing forcing people to learn about other cultures. ...but then again, most Americans ARE from other cultures (not only England) so that's not much of a valid point. Besides, everyone in Europe lives on top of one another. They're sort of forced into learning about one another.
Where did it come from?
I'm not trying to make England like America. I like England and their culture. I would like to visit sometime.
I watch Are You Being Served?, and I love Monty Python and the Holy Grail. I like English humor. I know a little bit about the culture, but I'm not trying to change it.
Who is, and how?
If YOU had another nation dropping bombs on London, you'd like help, wouldn't you? If I remember correctly, America DID help you.
France was invaded. It had the enemy in it's streets. America came to its aid. America helped Poland and South Korea as well. America captured Germany and gave it back to the citizens. It destroyed Japan and rebuilt it. It gets really annoying when everyone you help hates you.![[V]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_disapprove.gif "Disapprove [V]")
I hope when WWIII breaks out, America doesn't just say, "F everyone."
Now. I'm sorry if that was long winded and I got a little out of hand. I got a little passionate. That kind of thing happens. I have nothing but respect for you, Triv. I hope I helped you understand how some Americans feel just as you shown me how some English feel. Please feel free to share more points of view with me. The best way to understand is to converse. All of your points I did not ask questions about, I understand. Please continue helping me understand the world better.![[:)]](/images/smilies/smile.png "Smile [:)]")
I wouldn't say a lack of respect for other cultures...if anything, people are ignorant. Since the US is so large and so far from foreign nations (Europe), there is nothing forcing people to learn about other cultures. ...but then again, most Americans ARE from other cultures (not only England) so that's not much of a valid point. Besides, everyone in Europe lives on top of one another. They're sort of forced into learning about one another.
Where did it come from?
I'm not trying to make England like America. I like England and their culture. I would like to visit sometime.
I watch Are You Being Served?, and I love Monty Python and the Holy Grail. I like English humor. I know a little bit about the culture, but I'm not trying to change it.
Who is, and how?
If YOU had another nation dropping bombs on London, you'd like help, wouldn't you? If I remember correctly, America DID help you.
France was invaded. It had the enemy in it's streets. America came to its aid. America helped Poland and South Korea as well. America captured Germany and gave it back to the citizens. It destroyed Japan and rebuilt it. It gets really annoying when everyone you help hates you.
I hope when WWIII breaks out, America doesn't just say, "F everyone."
Now. I'm sorry if that was long winded and I got a little out of hand. I got a little passionate. That kind of thing happens. I have nothing but respect for you, Triv. I hope I helped you understand how some Americans feel just as you shown me how some English feel. Please feel free to share more points of view with me. The best way to understand is to converse. All of your points I did not ask questions about, I understand. Please continue helping me understand the world better.
I HATE SUV's. I think they're worthless. Those stinkin' SUV owners are gonna have all of us (US and otherwise) driving electric cars. I don't know about anyone else, but I plan on having my bimmer forever! I don't want to have to trade it in because some schmucks in their Land Rovers got 11 miles to the gallon for the last 20 years.
Well put, Mr. Crap. I'd be along side you helping England as well (I have some heritage from Wales). I'd also help Italy (I still have relatives living there), Hungary, and Czechoslovakia (or whatever it is now) because I am a descendant of their heritage. I'd help Germany because I have friends who live there. I'd also like to help anyone else who I can afford to because the world should be a happy place (tell me THAT didn't sound cheesy ![[thumb]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_thumb.gif "Thumbs Up [thumb]")
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bear, you still were in line this time
awcrap, word!
i am sitting on the fence. on the one hand the US is talking about independant trade and freedom of speech and all those nice things. but when it comes to endangering of the US economy by this open trade they araise dutys and anti dumping rules. that is shiyophren. you know, they praise it in international relationships and want to force other nations to open their markets, but at home they try to keep em out? and as the WTO just recently judged, it is illegal!!!
on the other hand we all owe a lot to this nation. bear mentioned it but under a different light. the us did not come to help the poor frenchies or british, but to prevent hitler from trying to get over the atlantic.liberation of europe was the goal to reach to keep him away. anyway we owe you one.
but just because you saved our ass does not mean that we are not allowed to have critical opinions towards america, right? i got a lot of shit especially for that critical mind i am. it was always said that me, the german, should be the most quiet with my history. but he said it, history. that´s not my cup of tea. no i don´t mean that i forget it, but is doesn´t mean that i have to feel guilty forit either.
bear i don´t say that youmakeme or want to make me feel that way, it is only something i really often experienced and we are just sharing some thoughts here, right?![[;)]](/images/smilies/wink.png "Wink [;)]")
awcrap, word!
i am sitting on the fence. on the one hand the US is talking about independant trade and freedom of speech and all those nice things. but when it comes to endangering of the US economy by this open trade they araise dutys and anti dumping rules. that is shiyophren. you know, they praise it in international relationships and want to force other nations to open their markets, but at home they try to keep em out? and as the WTO just recently judged, it is illegal!!!
on the other hand we all owe a lot to this nation. bear mentioned it but under a different light. the us did not come to help the poor frenchies or british, but to prevent hitler from trying to get over the atlantic.liberation of europe was the goal to reach to keep him away. anyway we owe you one.
but just because you saved our ass does not mean that we are not allowed to have critical opinions towards america, right? i got a lot of shit especially for that critical mind i am. it was always said that me, the german, should be the most quiet with my history. but he said it, history. that´s not my cup of tea. no i don´t mean that i forget it, but is doesn´t mean that i have to feel guilty forit either.
bear i don´t say that youmakeme or want to make me feel that way, it is only something i really often experienced and we are just sharing some thoughts here, right?