tripulldee said:
i like the r34 better....last year i went to a nissan dealer and was looking around, asked one of the salesman if he heard anything about a u.s. release for the skyline and he asked me what a skyline was ![[?|]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_banghead.gif "Bang Head [?|]")
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I went to a dealer yesterday to look at a 1991 325i. I asked him if it was an E21. He told me it was a 325i. I asked him what the body style was. He said he'd never heard of that.
Nissan owns Infiniti
Toyota owns Lexus
Honda owns Acura
BMW (owns?/is related to) McLaren
Diamler-Benz merged with Chrysler
^^ used to own Audi, back in the day
^^ owns Maybach
Volkswagen owns Audi owns Bugatti
Vauxhall owns Opel
The list just keeps going and going.... Heheh
Oh, and I don't know what's up with Dodge, Mitsubishi, and some other company being related, all selling the Colt a while back... [???1] Japanese and American don't mix if you ask me...
Toyota owns Lexus
Honda owns Acura
BMW (owns?/is related to) McLaren
Diamler-Benz merged with Chrysler
^^ used to own Audi, back in the day
^^ owns Maybach
Volkswagen owns Audi owns Bugatti
Vauxhall owns Opel
The list just keeps going and going.... Heheh
Oh, and I don't know what's up with Dodge, Mitsubishi, and some other company being related, all selling the Colt a while back... [???1] Japanese and American don't mix if you ask me...
A few minor corrections:
McLaren is its own company (actually several companies now), founded by Bruce McLaren in the sixties to buld race cars. They won Le Mans, Indy (?) and many F1 races. They continue to race F1 with Mercedes Benz today. The partnership with BMW was for the F1 road/racecar and doesn't involve any ownership interest. Actually, TAG Heuer (the watch co.) is the closest thing to a corporate parent of the TAG McLaren Group.
Daimler basically bought Chrysler. The merger was a PR ploy, ask all of the Chrysler management folks who were handed a pink-slip.
Audi was part of Auto Union, which had five different companies (Audi, Horch, DKW, Auto Union and somebody else), in the 1930s. VW revived Audi in the late sixties.
Vauxhall and Opel are european divisions of General Motors.
Maybach was an old MB brand from the 30s that they resurrected to avoid the perception of MB cars being inferior to super-luxury marques like Bentley and RR.
And, japanese and american can mix rather well. There is a lot of technology sharing going on these days, and many japanese cars are now made in the USA. Ford and Mazda share platforms, GM and Honda share technology, GM and Toyota share platforms/technology, Chrysler and Mitsubishi have a long-standing relationship (now over?) through the Colt/Starion, Eclipse/Laser/Talon, 3000 GT/Stealth, etc.
McLaren is its own company (actually several companies now), founded by Bruce McLaren in the sixties to buld race cars. They won Le Mans, Indy (?) and many F1 races. They continue to race F1 with Mercedes Benz today. The partnership with BMW was for the F1 road/racecar and doesn't involve any ownership interest. Actually, TAG Heuer (the watch co.) is the closest thing to a corporate parent of the TAG McLaren Group.
Daimler basically bought Chrysler. The merger was a PR ploy, ask all of the Chrysler management folks who were handed a pink-slip.
Audi was part of Auto Union, which had five different companies (Audi, Horch, DKW, Auto Union and somebody else), in the 1930s. VW revived Audi in the late sixties.
Vauxhall and Opel are european divisions of General Motors.
Maybach was an old MB brand from the 30s that they resurrected to avoid the perception of MB cars being inferior to super-luxury marques like Bentley and RR.
And, japanese and american can mix rather well. There is a lot of technology sharing going on these days, and many japanese cars are now made in the USA. Ford and Mazda share platforms, GM and Honda share technology, GM and Toyota share platforms/technology, Chrysler and Mitsubishi have a long-standing relationship (now over?) through the Colt/Starion, Eclipse/Laser/Talon, 3000 GT/Stealth, etc.
As indicated above, they are current partners in F1.
http://www.mclaren.co.uk/
For the F1 road car and some history:
http://www.mclarencars.com/
http://www.mclaren.co.uk/
For the F1 road car and some history:
http://www.mclarencars.com/
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Now I'm confused... why then does the McLaren get its power for a ///Motorsport engine?
Not to sound argumentative, (just friendly conversation) but I have to make a point:
About Audi:
(1909) Audi, (1899) Horch, (1907) DKW, and (1885) Wanderer merged together in 1932 to become Auto Union AG. In 1949, "Auto Union GmbH was set up in Igolstadt as a subsidiary of Auto Union AG." (1873) NSU merged with Auto Union AG in 1969 to become Audi NSU Auto Union GmbH. In 1985, the name was changed to simply Audi AG.
- On April 24th, 1958, Daimler-Benz AG obtained 87.8% of the capital shares in Auto Union AG.
- "At the end of 1964 the Wolfsburg company had acquired 50.3% of the Auto Union shares...During the next two years, the remaining 49.7% of the shares were purchased, and by the end of 1966 the Four Rings had become the symbol for a wholly-owned VW subsidiary."
Not to sound argumentative, (just friendly conversation) but I have to make a point:
About Audi:
(1909) Audi, (1899) Horch, (1907) DKW, and (1885) Wanderer merged together in 1932 to become Auto Union AG. In 1949, "Auto Union GmbH was set up in Igolstadt as a subsidiary of Auto Union AG." (1873) NSU merged with Auto Union AG in 1969 to become Audi NSU Auto Union GmbH. In 1985, the name was changed to simply Audi AG.
- On April 24th, 1958, Daimler-Benz AG obtained 87.8% of the capital shares in Auto Union AG.
- "At the end of 1964 the Wolfsburg company had acquired 50.3% of the Auto Union shares...During the next two years, the remaining 49.7% of the shares were purchased, and by the end of 1966 the Four Rings had become the symbol for a wholly-owned VW subsidiary."
The McLaren "F1" gets its power from a Motorsport 12 because it was the best power plant available at the time and allowed 600+ horsepower from a reliable and normally aspirated engine. Totally different engine and machine than the McLaren-Mercedes race car that races in Formula One.
As for the Audi history, it doesn't conflict with what I said above about Audi's history, and Wanderer was the fifth ring I couldn't remember.
As for the Audi history, it doesn't conflict with what I said above about Audi's history, and Wanderer was the fifth ring I couldn't remember.
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Bear6360 said:
I went to a dealer yesterday to look at a 1991 325i. I asked him if it was an E21. He told me it was a 325i. I asked him what the body style was. He said he'd never heard of that.
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tripulldee said:
Ya, i noticed that most salesmen are just that.....salesmen....they aren't really car aficionados....they can read all the specs of a sheet, but probably couldn't tell you much more, one time this one guy was just reading the sticker off the window, i was like thanks, i could've read that myself....
Of course, I really don't grab to much of their attention as a 19 year old (must know i'm just looking around, but they obviously don't have a desire to just talk cars), so I'm spared of their sales pitch almost everytime. Might just show up in a suit next time, see how long it takes for someone to "help" me.
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