No comment on the debate but I have been registering a ton of people today. I have made several trips to the election department already. One guy told me that he has not voted in 30 years but after the debate last evening he couldn’t wait to vote this year. I also registered seven 18-19 year olds and a bunch of other people.
Tonight's presidential debate...
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The only people that are 'swing' voters at this point are people that weren't planning to vote until they saw last night's debate. Each camps 'supporters' are firmly there, no matter if a dumbell got slammed into their candidate, he's the man!
Best of 3, Kerry did pull the first debate, Bush seemed flustered, and somewhat put out, maybe he had indigestion or something, but I bet he had some words with his staff so that he'll be ready for the next 2..
I suspect in the days leading to this vote, something is going to happen in the 'world at large' that is going to determine this election. Either Osama being found or something incredible in Iraq - that or the total reverse, or hell maybe just aliens from outer space, or a big rock slamming the planet..
I think the latter 2 would be the best for us - a slap in the head to get a grip with ourselves as a race would help us all.
In your every day life, each of us (you may even be one) encounters, knows, works with, goes to school with, a natural born leader. I don't mean 'the next president of the united states', but just a simple person who makes the right decisions, the right calls, and quite simply - LEADS in all respects of the definition.
Neither of these 2 clowns fit that mold for me.
Best of 3, Kerry did pull the first debate, Bush seemed flustered, and somewhat put out, maybe he had indigestion or something, but I bet he had some words with his staff so that he'll be ready for the next 2..
I suspect in the days leading to this vote, something is going to happen in the 'world at large' that is going to determine this election. Either Osama being found or something incredible in Iraq - that or the total reverse, or hell maybe just aliens from outer space, or a big rock slamming the planet..
I think the latter 2 would be the best for us - a slap in the head to get a grip with ourselves as a race would help us all.
In your every day life, each of us (you may even be one) encounters, knows, works with, goes to school with, a natural born leader. I don't mean 'the next president of the united states', but just a simple person who makes the right decisions, the right calls, and quite simply - LEADS in all respects of the definition.
Neither of these 2 clowns fit that mold for me.
Oh I agree, it’s far from just one person…more like a widespread attitude.
I didn’t mean to imply just one person but it did sound that way.
It’s like the chemistry is right all around the world if something doesn’t change.
"Thinking one has too much control?" When I say this I am thinking more of not one person but the "one" can be an American with the attitude of screw the rest of the world, a terrorist with the attitude of we will screw the rest of the world, or a world leader from anywhere with the attitude that they are somehow isolated from the rest of the world or doesn't care about world effects of his/her actions.
I didn’t mean to imply just one person but it did sound that way.
It’s like the chemistry is right all around the world if something doesn’t change.
"Thinking one has too much control?" When I say this I am thinking more of not one person but the "one" can be an American with the attitude of screw the rest of the world, a terrorist with the attitude of we will screw the rest of the world, or a world leader from anywhere with the attitude that they are somehow isolated from the rest of the world or doesn't care about world effects of his/her actions.
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aNoodle said:
You're not starting anything bad. I was speaking of the view that politics is amoral and that any means however unscrupulous can justifiably be used in achieving political power. To stick the neo-cons with having to achieve their own unattainable spin (cleaning up Iraq on the cheap, nation building, and spreading democracy across the middle east) would be a perverse way of seeing them fall after four more years of further political isolation, bloodshed, and quagmire. Being forced to sleep in one's own bed can be kinda Machiavellian. It's an impulse that's not really fair.
Oh come on, BigD, don't flatter yourself. LOL. We appear to agree on everything BMW. I only pick out your political posts on occasion because they are some of the more sensible of the partisan rants. I'll run with a few of Gizzy's next time around so nobody gets sore.![[driving]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_driving.gif "Driving [driving]")
Oh come on, BigD, don't flatter yourself. LOL. We appear to agree on everything BMW. I only pick out your political posts on occasion because they are some of the more sensible of the partisan rants. I'll run with a few of Gizzy's next time around so nobody gets sore.
Ok, I understand what you are saying now. However, I would just like to say, and I'm sure you already know this, that a Democrat in search of political power would have to make that statement (let them lie in their own bed). Since, according to N.M., the only ones allowed to have the ends justify the means (i.e. get into political power regardless of morals or any way possible) are those involved in seeking political power, they are the only ones who could hold such a stand. And furthermore, just to entice this conversation, one could use N.M. to state that the Democrats could not make this comment or perform this action because it would involve doing nothing for 4 years, and there are much more effective means than that. N.M. would go so far as to say that the student of politics who adopts such a stance would fall into hereditary principalities mindset; that is to say, within another four years the current political leader will screw up so bad that it will make it easy for another party to enter. (Chapter 1 of The Prince) And this type of principality is never a mode for truly politica power.
However, I do see where you are going with your statement.
Are you into poly sci/ philosophy? What do you think of N.M.'s Discourse and do you think their is a direct relation to The Prince (especially in Chapter 6 of the Prince)?
Cheers! Sean
Well, he doesnt exactly have a BOARD of people yet to help him make decisions. When it comes down to it, it's not like bush sat there at the war table looking at maps TELLING people "we need to bomb here, here, and here". He sat there, but his advisors told HIM.
The point kerry is trying to make is that when his advisors bring up something, he feels he will be able to do a better job at making the decision to go with what his advisors are proposing.
The point kerry is trying to make is that when his advisors bring up something, he feels he will be able to do a better job at making the decision to go with what his advisors are proposing.