What do you believe in¿
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My view (readers digest version)
My Grandparents came from Russia, I was raised in Africa (Congo). I know what it is to be a racial minority and cultural outsider.
Fair is a place where you go on rides and eat corn dogs. Life and nature are not fair. Fair is a concept for children.
Both AA and EO offend me and restrict my freedom. Both are flawed attempts to make the US a fair place. Both do more harm than good.
I should be able to hire anyone I want for any reason I want. If I make bad hiring decisions, my business will suffer and, for those who choose to see it that way, can say that it is fair.
My Grandparents came from Russia, I was raised in Africa (Congo). I know what it is to be a racial minority and cultural outsider.
Fair is a place where you go on rides and eat corn dogs. Life and nature are not fair. Fair is a concept for children.
Both AA and EO offend me and restrict my freedom. Both are flawed attempts to make the US a fair place. Both do more harm than good.
I should be able to hire anyone I want for any reason I want. If I make bad hiring decisions, my business will suffer and, for those who choose to see it that way, can say that it is fair.
My view (long version)
Some history to undertand my position. My grandparents came to the US from Russia. I was born here, but raised in Africa (Republic of the Congo). In Africa, I was truly a racial minority. When I returned to the US, I felt like a minority because I was unfamiliar with American culture.
Affirmative Action and the ACLU never intended to represent ethnic minorities. Rather they intended to end racial discrimination against Blacks. You see, in the US EVERYONE belongs to a racial minority of some sort, depending on how you classify.
Equal Opportunity actually states that an employer CANNOT use, as a basis for employment, an applicants "Race, Color, Religion, Sex, or National Origin". However, Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is typically only applied to minorities.
Both Affrimative Action and Equal Opportunity are seriously flawed attempts at making the US a "fair" place. This concept of "fair" is one that, as children we invent because we covet what others have and we do not. "Fair" is a very unatural concept (or as like to say "Fair" is place where you go on rides and eat corn dogs... Umm corn dogs... but i digress). Is it fair that one cub survives while another does not? Do mother birds equitably distribute food to thier young? Is it "fair" that Roy Horn doesn't have sharp teeth and claws and his tiger does?
Both of these acts limit my freedom to surround myself with the people of my choosing, and share my success with those whom I choose. Would you apply the Equal Opportunity act to dating? Could a young woman sue me because I choose not to marry her (and thereby make her an heir to my fortune) because I am Muslim and she is Jewish, or maybe becuase she is a Capulet and I am a Montague?
As an employeer, it is in my best interest to hire the most qualified individuals. If I do not, my business will suffer and a wise competitor who does hire the well qualified Taliban member that I do not will be more successfull and possibly put me out of business.
Some history to undertand my position. My grandparents came to the US from Russia. I was born here, but raised in Africa (Republic of the Congo). In Africa, I was truly a racial minority. When I returned to the US, I felt like a minority because I was unfamiliar with American culture.
Affirmative Action and the ACLU never intended to represent ethnic minorities. Rather they intended to end racial discrimination against Blacks. You see, in the US EVERYONE belongs to a racial minority of some sort, depending on how you classify.
Equal Opportunity actually states that an employer CANNOT use, as a basis for employment, an applicants "Race, Color, Religion, Sex, or National Origin". However, Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is typically only applied to minorities.
Both Affrimative Action and Equal Opportunity are seriously flawed attempts at making the US a "fair" place. This concept of "fair" is one that, as children we invent because we covet what others have and we do not. "Fair" is a very unatural concept (or as like to say "Fair" is place where you go on rides and eat corn dogs... Umm corn dogs... but i digress). Is it fair that one cub survives while another does not? Do mother birds equitably distribute food to thier young? Is it "fair" that Roy Horn doesn't have sharp teeth and claws and his tiger does?
Both of these acts limit my freedom to surround myself with the people of my choosing, and share my success with those whom I choose. Would you apply the Equal Opportunity act to dating? Could a young woman sue me because I choose not to marry her (and thereby make her an heir to my fortune) because I am Muslim and she is Jewish, or maybe becuase she is a Capulet and I am a Montague?
As an employeer, it is in my best interest to hire the most qualified individuals. If I do not, my business will suffer and a wise competitor who does hire the well qualified Taliban member that I do not will be more successfull and possibly put me out of business.
Things tend to take care of themselves...its a natural order
I dont care where you come from or what color you are if you cant speak my lanuguage (money) I dont want to do business with you
Money makes sure it gets to people who want to learn it, speak it and make more of it.....you will notice those who seek to gain a "fair" stance in the money market are the same people who also know the least about it....yet its my fault?
We are all biased, its human nature....bias can be good and bad....its the balance of both that keeps successfull ventures SUCCESSFUL.
I have a bias towards high quality parts.....should I be sued for not using products of less quality because they are made by a (insert waa waa group here)
Affirmative action =![[?|]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_banghead.gif "Bang Head [?|]")
completly insulting and counterproductive
You cant make people play nice....it will never happen. It must come naturally to really be truly real...
I am "Hispanic" which is a nice way for the latin countries to say "Bastard race" Spains influence in South and North America is heavy.....Spain is a european nation....do you think I would be considered "european" because my family comes from Mexico?
Black people have an internal struggle which is one that will be hard to overcome. On the on hand some blame everybody else for thing that happened ages ago and will always use that for their ridiculous views......on the other hand you have those who wish to move beyond that and raise peoples black awareness in a positive light and work towards being members of the team instead of the boo hoo brigade.
Mexico lost 10 million Aztecs to Spain....they wiped out almost the whole civilazation....do you hear anybody from Mexico crying about how "the Spanish man just wants to bring us down" Even though their are 2 classes in Mexico and the rich are heavily tied to Spain?
People in general need to let the agressions of the past die and build new relationships that are made with people here and now and the future....we cant change the past but many people would like to think we still live in it......
I for one as a minority find affirmative action insulting to my personal abilities to gain employment based on my own hard work and experience....I dont need to fill someones quota...and I find it highly offensive that the government would force commerce to adopt such a destructive policy....
The beauty of commerce is things work themselves out.......if a company doesnt sell to "colored" people the company that does reaps the rewards of their ignorance and will grow for being given such a huge piece of the market
Money talks and as a solid business man why would anyone want to limit who they sell to? Ignorant people will always exist no matter how long we try to educate our kids....let them be...instead of complaining about them take advantage of their ignorance and profit from it and when an ignorant person wants a job at your company....sorry, we dont hire ignorant people...but the government shouldnt come into our lives more than is neccessary.
I think we are smart enough to make money on our own.....![[thumb]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_thumb.gif "Thumbs Up [thumb]")
I dont care where you come from or what color you are if you cant speak my lanuguage (money) I dont want to do business with you
Money makes sure it gets to people who want to learn it, speak it and make more of it.....you will notice those who seek to gain a "fair" stance in the money market are the same people who also know the least about it....yet its my fault?
We are all biased, its human nature....bias can be good and bad....its the balance of both that keeps successfull ventures SUCCESSFUL.
I have a bias towards high quality parts.....should I be sued for not using products of less quality because they are made by a (insert waa waa group here)
Affirmative action =
completly insulting and counterproductiveYou cant make people play nice....it will never happen. It must come naturally to really be truly real...
I am "Hispanic" which is a nice way for the latin countries to say "Bastard race" Spains influence in South and North America is heavy.....Spain is a european nation....do you think I would be considered "european" because my family comes from Mexico?
Black people have an internal struggle which is one that will be hard to overcome. On the on hand some blame everybody else for thing that happened ages ago and will always use that for their ridiculous views......on the other hand you have those who wish to move beyond that and raise peoples black awareness in a positive light and work towards being members of the team instead of the boo hoo brigade.
Mexico lost 10 million Aztecs to Spain....they wiped out almost the whole civilazation....do you hear anybody from Mexico crying about how "the Spanish man just wants to bring us down" Even though their are 2 classes in Mexico and the rich are heavily tied to Spain?
People in general need to let the agressions of the past die and build new relationships that are made with people here and now and the future....we cant change the past but many people would like to think we still live in it......
I for one as a minority find affirmative action insulting to my personal abilities to gain employment based on my own hard work and experience....I dont need to fill someones quota...and I find it highly offensive that the government would force commerce to adopt such a destructive policy....
The beauty of commerce is things work themselves out.......if a company doesnt sell to "colored" people the company that does reaps the rewards of their ignorance and will grow for being given such a huge piece of the market
Money talks and as a solid business man why would anyone want to limit who they sell to? Ignorant people will always exist no matter how long we try to educate our kids....let them be...instead of complaining about them take advantage of their ignorance and profit from it and when an ignorant person wants a job at your company....sorry, we dont hire ignorant people...but the government shouldnt come into our lives more than is neccessary.
I think we are smart enough to make money on our own.....
I actually went into a BMW parts store and there was not a single person working there that spoke english¿! WTF!!!!!!!!! If I moved to Italy or any other country I would mae it my first priority to learn their language out of respect. What happened to the days when somebody had to read, recite, and write the declaration of independance to move to this country¿
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