Saddam Hussein captured alive near Tikrit

[carcus]

Don't get me wrong but I feel bad for the guy. Yeah he done a lot of wrong, but imagine what was going through his head all this time when his country was overtaken. He also looks identicle to my grandfather... so I can kinda relate to him on a more personal level.

And dude....if you can relate to him on a more personal level......you got some issues you need to talk to someone about and feel sorry about him.....and Stalin was an a psycho also.

 

[PuShAkOv]

I am a red Commi.

I am Anti-Government. I hate Bush. I am Pro Stalin. Need I say more?

 

[MyHarley]

Need I say more?

No sweetie, you shouldnt!!!!

 

[xLibelle]

No sweetie, you shouldnt!!!!

Usually, views like that are due to a lack of understanding... yet maybe its us that dont und...... naaa, i wont toy with that idea.

 

[junglestylz]

I am Anti-Government. ..................... I am Pro Stalin. Need I say more?

Stalin was a dictator¿¿¿ Having a certain personal in control of the masses is a government. Just wondering, are you pro Hitler too¿ Or maybe pro Pol Pot¿¿

 

[junglestylz]

You can't just say that democracy is right and everything else is wrong. You have to look at the condition russia and iraq were in before saddam and stalin took control. The overall quality of life was better after they forced weak unindustrialized countries into the work market and made them into powerful countries. Just wait till the US forces democracy in Iraq. I will bet that for the average citizen life will be worse off under democratic rule than under a dictatorship.

I am not saying that saddam and stalin were moraly just in our own sense of what is right and wrong. I am saying that each country is different and sometimes you need to go to extremes in order to establish security and stability.

As far as DU goes I don't understand how you can just say that it is not harmful because our government says so. Obviously they are going to say there is nothing wrong with it.

And I don't want to hear any sh** about chemical weapons from anyone. We gave them to saddam to kill iranians and he used them on kurdish villages. That was our fault for letting that happen. We were allied with him and did have an influence on his decision making. Had we threatened to not back him if he used chemical weapons I suspect he would have been more than happy to use conventional weapons against the uprisings in his country.

Also, I didn't say anything about the search for Osama, so I don't know why you dragged that into this arguement.

Oh, and lastly. The situation in Nazi germany was completely different than the situations in iraq and even russia. The Germans were killing jewish citizens for no reason other than the fact that they were jewish. The Iraqis were killing kurds and other tribal factions because they sought to overthrow the government. They provoked a fight with saddam thinking they would get US backing. Instead they got a face full of antrax. Is that fair? Maybe not by international standards. But I can tell you that when your entire country is on the verge of collapsing you will do whatever it is you have to do to stop that from happening.

Number one, I was not saying that DU isn't harmful, but rather the fact that like everything else in the world today (SARS.....Anthrax.....etc.) it isn't nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Second, somebody had mentioned earlier in the thread the statement about Bin Laden, and I figured that I would give everybody a damn break by not double posting. Finally, it was not an action to stop himself from being overthrown. If you can consider marching a regiment into a small village and killing EVERY single last person including women and children an act to maitain sovereignity, then I hope you never have control of your own country. Generally speaking we cause all the bad $hit that happens to us. Not us per say, but the former governing officials that came before us. If you believe that my friends, family, and fellow soldiers should pay for the mistakes that were made back in the time before we were born, then you have the right to believe that. I kind of see that along the same lines as blaming me for slavery. We shouldn't go in to other countries and train people how to overthrow their government, or an oppressing force that is occupying their country (such as Bin Laden during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan), but that is something that the majority of the people on this board weren't even born yet, or in a position to have a say about. If you think that the average persons way of life would be better in a dictatorship, take a look at the per capita income, amount of healthcare needed, and the amount of poverty in that country. You are basing that statement on what is good for the people that actually have money. I am a personal believer in saying "f*ck it", and leaving them to their own business, but not when innocent people are being murdered by the hundreds of thousands. If a faction of guys wants to try to overthrow the government, and the all got slaughtered in a bloody gun fight, oh well. Bringing the general population into it is completely idiotic and barbaric. Furthermore, the statement about the working ways of the 3rd Reich was not meant to be used as a direct comparison, but rather to be looked at in the form of one word. You may use the word "suppression" as the word to describe the gassing of kurdish villages and families, I would tend to use the word GENOCIDE, considering the fact that he wanted ALL of them dead. You get on Xlibelle's case for saying something that you misconstrued as a statement of "kill them all", but you don't condone it when these are the actions taken by the one you are defending¿

 

[PuShAkOv]

I'd have to agrre with Pink and Pavel with this...

 

[junglestylz]

Pavel doesn't consider Stalin to have been a governing official.

 

[Pink_Floyd]

Number one, I was not saying that DU isn't harmful, but rather the fact that like everything else in the world today (SARS.....Anthrax.....etc.) it isn't nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Second, somebody had mentioned earlier in the thread the statement about Bin Laden, and I figured that I would give everybody a damn break by not double posting. Finally, it was not an action to stop himself from being overthrown. If you can consider marching a regiment into a small village and killing EVERY single last person including women and children an act to maitain sovereignity, then I hope you never have control of your own country. Generally speaking we cause all the bad $hit that happens to us. Not us per say, but the former governing officials that came before us. If you believe that my friends, family, and fellow soldiers should pay for the mistakes that were made back in the time before we were born, then you have the right to believe that. I kind of see that along the same lines as blaming me for slavery. We shouldn't go in to other countries and train people how to overthrow their government, or an oppressing force that is occupying their country (such as Bin Laden during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan), but that is something that the majority of the people on this board weren't even born yet, or in a position to have a say about. If you think that the average persons way of life would be better in a dictatorship, take a look at the per capita income, amount of healthcare needed, and the amount of poverty in that country. You are basing that statement on what is good for the people that actually have money. I am a personal believer in saying "f*ck it", and leaving them to their own business, but not when innocent people are being murdered by the hundreds of thousands. If a faction of guys wants to try to overthrow the government, and the all got slaughtered in a bloody gun fight, oh well. Bringing the general population into it is completely idiotic and barbaric. Furthermore, the statement about the working ways of the 3rd Reich was not meant to be used as a direct comparison, but rather to be looked at in the form of one word. You may use the word "suppression" as the word to describe the gassing of kurdish villages and families, I would tend to use the word GENOCIDE, considering the fact that he wanted ALL of them dead. You get on Xlibelle's case for saying something that you misconstrued as a statement of "kill them all", but you don't condone it when these are the actions taken by the one you are defending¿

Ok, I don't condone us deciding who to kill. In Iraq's case I really do believe that he shouldn't be prosecuted for genocide of the kurds. The Kurds really wanted to break off and form Kurdistan. They chose to revolt against the governemnent. Did all those kids and wives want to fight? I doubt it, but the majority of the men did want to fight saddam, and they would have had to be pretty stupid to think that their families would be safe from such a man like saddam. As far as the chemical weapons go, I really do think that was our fault. Saddam simply used the most effective weapon he had in his arsenal. If we didn't give him the weapons outright and the technology to make their own they never would have had them in the first place.

I still stand by my statement that for Iraqis their lives would be better under a dictatorship. Just like in Russia if Saddam didn't rule with an iron fist no one would get anything done in the country. Iraq could have been a wasteland just like afghanistan, but thanks to Saddam they were actually a pretty secussful country compared to what it used to be. I think that after a few decades the Iraqi people would eventually make the slow change to democracy. But bad things happen when another country forces the people to change before they are ready to rule themselves. When you force democracy on a people that aren't ready for it the society will result back to anarchy, and it will take another person like Saddam to get things in order.

 

[junglestylz]

I think we should make it into the next Puerto Rico. Minimum wage for the standard workers would be right around $10,000 more than they make now, and the ones that spent time to get an education can be treated for their knowledge. As far as chemical and biological weapons are considered, I believe that they should all be destroyed. There is probably a snowballs chance in hell of that happening. I also don't think that democracy would work over there right now. In order for it to work, it would be somebody that we wanted in there.In that case, they wouldn't like the person. If they liked someone, we wouldn't. Reminders of Guatemala, Ecuador, Venezuela, etc., etc.

 

[BMWdude]

And if Bush doesn't find any "weapons of mass distruction" I guess he will just apologies to saddam and let him go?

 

[junglestylz]

I believe that he'll "let him go". Just like Jimmy Hoffa was "let go", or how Tupac is "on vacation".

 

[xLibelle]

Tupac is on vacation, but nevermind that right now.

 

[adrean8j]

It is good to see so many of my military brothers on this site.....does the heart good(even though I dont really like the miltary anymore.....). The institution is still pure....at least on the enlisted side. Sorry officers....still dont like most of you too much!!! But it is still all love!
HOAAH!!!!(and Semper Fi to all you marines-my dad was one for 20yrs and my grandfather was in the Army Air Corps)

 

[junglestylz]

The only decent officer is one that spent time in the enlisted side of the military. I have yet to meet one that can truly make good decisions, and get along with the enlisted soldiers that came straight out of OBC, or ROTC. Not all of them are bad though. Actually some of them can be pretty cool. We used to get trashed at the bar with our old XO. That woman could drink like an elephant!! Oh yeah! My sisters an officer now. But she's a pilot, so that doesn't really count.