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epj3 said:
Big daddy - What are BUSH'S credentials before his first term? "Daddy was president?" His DUI 30 years old? at Working as a governor for TEXAS??? How about a video of him acting like a drunk texas asshole? Give me a BREAK!!!

Can we trust someone who has to resort to twisting information to get what he wants????
OK folks, enough is enough. Being governor of Texas for eight years is a highly respected position, maybe not for you, but it is for us folks who LIVE and BREATHE in Texas. Get off the rhetoric bandwagon, vote for Kerry, who gives a rat's butt anymore, but lay off of Texas and its politics and our governors. We in Texas are quite proud of our politics, Ann Richards and all..........you cant be everything for everyone............this has gotten ridiculous and non-productive in my opinion.
 

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OK folks, enough is enough. Being governor of Texas for eight years is a highly respected position, maybe not for you, but it is for us folks who LIVE and BREATHE in Texas. Get off the rhetoric bandwagon, vote for Kerry, who gives a rat's butt anymore, but lay off of Texas and its politics and our governors. We in Texas are quite proud of our politics, Ann Richards and all..........you cant be everything for everyone............this has gotten ridiculous and non-productive in my opinion.
Are you Pro-life??
 
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It's not about detracting from those that did not serve as much as those that did. Launching these smears against those that put their lives on the line for our country shows the true colors of hated and fear. They ought to be ashamed. Combat veterans protected this nation with life and limb. They have not demanded respect, they have earned it. Your respect for our armed services goes only so far as party affiliation.

Generations of Americans before the cry-Baby Boomers would never even consider using the military as a political tool, even if they had lost a war like in Southeast Asia. I think when a guy puts that uniform on and risks his life for our liberty he should be accorded at least a minimal amount of respect. Generations of Americans lived by this honor. History is watching how low a Republican White House, Republican Senate, Repbulican Congress, and Repbulican Supreme Court will go and how corrosive and destructive politics has to get with this generation. They can't get along with themselves, they can't get along with the rest of the world, not even our allies for generations. I would have thought combat veterans were a universal honor of this nation. Log up no aluminum tubes or mobile weapons labs, now even more smear of our combat veterans and divide politics. No shame. No shame.
My respect for Kerrys armed services records are based on testimonies of others that were in Vietnam and has nothing to do with party affiliation. I come from a family that is democratic by majority and all except for one of my brothers will be voting republican for president this year due mainly to other issues that Kerry has brought up that he is for but his 20 years in in the senate has proved otherwise.

You state that republicans can't even get along? Democrats have just as bad of a record for the as the republicans.

Your statements, makes me think that you believe combat veterans should be held in respect regardless of their personal actions. Absolutly not!!! When a combat veteran works with the enemy rather than helping to support his country, this is O.K.? A combat veteran should be respected when they come home from a tour of duty and join anti-war and anti-millitary protest groups that are fighting to prevent the government from supporting our troops. (The following are not about Kerry)When a combat veteran rapes women and children, this is O.K. because they should be respected as if it never happened?

The reason why military records are in this debate is because John Kerry tried to show that he was a better military person than Bush. Millitary service has also been brought up durring most of the campains and it should. I personally don't think that any one should be the president of the U.S. unless they have spent at least some time in one of the services. They are the Comander and Chief of the military and they should at least have half of an idea of what it is like. Unfortunately this is not always the case.

http://www.americandaily.com/article/4802
Except, of course, Kerry defined himself as the morally superior Vietnam veteran almost as soon as he was whisked back to New England to be lionized in luxury, leaving the sons of poor and middle class blacks, browns and whites to fight, bleed and die as American peasant rabble fighting a peasant war.

Rather like Clinton's odious "apology" for slavery - had he apologized for the Democrat Party fighting to re-enslave blacks and to treat them as cattle from 1860 to 1960, and had he thanked the Republican Party for relentlessly defending blacks without reward during that centuries, then the Clinton apology would have made sense - the Kerry "apology" was not for him.

Kerry never asked to be tried for his war crimes. He did not, like Albert Speer, say that he, John Kerry, was an integral part of the problem he confessed. Instead, Kerry took all the perks, benefits and glamour of having served his nation honorably in combat and also took all the perks, benefits and glamour of being that most beloved spoiled brat of the 1960s Left, a war protester.

He disproportionately slammed the poor, the black, the brown and the underprivileged. He disproportionately slammed those who volunteered, as he claimed to do, to serve America, just like JFK had just asked them to do. He slammed the parents of coal miners, nurses and firefighters whose sons died in Vietnam or came home broken men.

All Vietnam veterans, it seems, were equal, but some were more equal than others. What was true then is true now. The accusers of Kerry served with him, served under him, and served over him in combat. Nearly all of them served in Vietnam longer than Kerry and none of them reaped the rich harvest of wealth, fame and power from that service which Kerry has enjoyed.

But while Kerry would doubtless say that all these brave men were equal, the unstated postscript is this: "....but same Vietnam veterans are more equal than others."
 

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MyHarley said:
For that information you should post a new thread and see if I give my opinion, it has been posted before on this board.

Do you believe in pre-marital sex?
You didn't answer my question but I'll be kind enough to answer yours. No, I do not believe in pre-marital sex. How about you?

Anyways, answer the question. You support a government who is definitely killing people in the middle east, AND you support a state government who is completely FOR the death penalty. If you ARE pro-life, please explain this to me. I'm really dumbfounded.
 

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MyHarley said:
OK folks, enough is enough. Being governor of Texas for eight years is a highly respected position, maybe not for you, but it is for us folks who LIVE and BREATHE in Texas. Get off the rhetoric bandwagon, vote for Kerry, who gives a rat's butt anymore, but lay off of Texas and its politics and our governors. We in Texas are quite proud of our politics, Ann Richards and all..........you cant be everything for everyone............this has gotten ridiculous and non-productive in my opinion.
(Bush was govenor of your state for 5 years.)

I think it's cool to have an exchange about this close election. But I agree it is not going to determine the fate of our nation. The sun will still rise in the east and set in the west over this great nation for many more years to come. An intelligent exchange is helpful for people to know where other people are coming from. It seems like this is one of the few boards where people, for the most part, can do this in an adult way without spreading hate, smearing people, taking things personal, or spreading false facts. Calling a spade a spade is always gonna rankle some feathers.

This is by and large a good community of people. A little moderation from the extremist partisans wouldn't kill anyone. I've enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts, no matter how whacky and off the mark. It's still fun and I love this board!
 
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You didn't answer my question but I'll be kind enough to answer yours. No, I do not believe in pre-marital sex. How about you?

Anyways, answer the question. You support a government who is definitely killing people in the middle east, AND you support a state government who is completely FOR the death penalty. If you ARE pro-life, please explain this to me. I'm really dumbfounded.
Oh my little wee one, you see I dont answer to you. I stated that if you wanted information to post a new thread on this topic and see if I choose to answer. This board is voluntary not mandatory.

Reread your post and listen to yourself getting in my face, take two steps back please.

You see I'm from the old school, I answer to a God who I will be judged by someday, not you, not anyone on this board. I try not to disgrace my family name in life but I do live my own life my way.

I don't believe in premarital sex, but I also dont believe in buying a pair of shoes without trying on first............ [thumb]

I also dont believe in perfection in any group, any country or any topic that you can name. Why, because as humans, mistakes and wrong choices will always be there, because perfection in anything is unobtainable.
 

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Oh my little wee one, you see I dont answer to you. I stated that if you wanted information to post a new thread on this topic and see if I choose to answer. This board is voluntary not mandatory.

Reread your post and listen to yourself getting in my face, take two steps back please.

You see I'm from the old school, I answer to a God who I will be judged by someday, not you, not anyone on this board. I try not to disgrace my family name in life but I do live my own life my way.

I don't believe in premarital sex, but I also dont believe in buying a pair of shoes without trying on first............ [thumb]

I also dont believe in perfection in any group, any country or any topic that you can name. Why, because as humans, mistakes and wrong choices will always be there, because perfection in anything is unobtainable.
Well, reread my post, too. I didn't make any demands of you. You said "This board is voluntary not mandatory." but I don't believe I said you had to answer me. All I did was ask for your opinion on the question you asked me, thought it was fair enough. Nor did I mean to "get in your face."

Though I do not appreciate the "wee little one" comment. I did not make any comment on YOUR age or 'status', and seeing as I am going to be pulling a lever (now a figure of speach) in a poll just as you will be November 2nd, I ASK (not demand) that I would recieve the same amount of respect you would expect.

The thing is, certain mistakes are the kind that could have VERY easily been prevented. Some people can see these mistakes as little mistakes, others see them as big. I guess thats why we only allow a president two terms.
 

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My respect for Kerrys armed services records are based on testimonies......
I will not engage in partisan politics of fear and personal destruction. I made clear how I respect the men who put on our nation's uniforms, offered their hard work, and put their lives on the line for our liberty. That respect is not demanded, it is earned. I do not condition that respect on party affiliation or by any political whims of the moment. And I could never dishonor one and all of their service with political rock throwing. You are free to limit your honor and respect for these fine men in any way you see fit (this is America afterall; you enjoy the liberty these men secured for you).

I endorse John Kerry for president. He understands service to country and will restore strength to the White House and respect for America abroad.
 
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Well, reread my post, too. I didn't make any demands of you. You said "This board is voluntary not mandatory." but I don't believe I said you had to answer me. All I did was ask for your opinion on the question you asked me, thought it was fair enough. Nor did I mean to "get in your face."

Though I do not appreciate the "wee little one" comment. I did not make any comment on YOUR age or 'status', and seeing as I am going to be pulling a lever (now a figure of speach) in a poll just as you will be November 2nd, I ASK (not demand) that I would recieve the same amount of respect you would expect.

The thing is, certain mistakes are the kind that could have VERY easily been prevented. Some people can see these mistakes as little mistakes, others see them as big. I guess thats why we only allow a president two terms.
You can never live in the true South EPJ, you cant handle our words. In the South all of us ladies call everyone honey, sweetie, darling, wee little one, little Jimmy, babette, baby, dude, so on.

The reason I am not answering your question is I feel it should be in a post all to itself. It is too important of an issue to be caught up in this election rhetoric. You may think it is an election issue, I feel it is a personal issue.

I've made a lot of mistakes that could of been avoided, some big some little!!!! I guess that's why we only get one life....
 

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Hell yeah, epj3, you'd fit in just fine in the true south....Atlanta is called the capital city of the true south (which doesn't include TX) and we largely vote for reasonable politicians. CNN, Coke, Turner, UPS, Home Depot, Delta, Boeing, Ford...we're too busy in Atlanta to hate.

I'm actually amazed by your age you have such a great understanding of current affairs. Keep up the curiosity and don't fall into the mind set that ignorance is bliss. Uneducated people show their ignorance every day they open their mouth or post on this site with wrong facts and nonsense, bless their hearts. You have a good mind...exercise it in college. Your posts are already some of the funniest!

That link to Bush, drunk at the wedding is priceless. Now I really want to see this rich punk back in TX chopping wood.
 
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Bryan330i said:
We can thank Bush if we are hit. He is the one that wanted to slash our at home defense. The man is pure evil. And we have witnessed in our own country how an evil leader of evil intentions can move masses of people. Never thought I would see this day in America.
The supporters of Hitler (IE, the majority of the populace of Germany) believed in him strongly, some in an almost fanatical fashion, you couldn't get them to change their minds about him, any more than republican support for bush from some folks.

I'm in no way saying Bush is Hitler, but they move/moved people in the same fashion at times, for much the same reasons. The annexation of Austria then, could be our Iraq now.

I hope to be proven wrong, no matter who's president. I sure hope you Bush supporters feel the same way, regardless of your support for him. Would you follow his lead, into Iran? N. Korea? Both would be bloodbaths for us, prepare to lose your friends, children, in a country thousands of miles away.

AGAIN.
 
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I hope to be proven wrong, no matter who's president. I sure hope you Bush supporters feel the same way, regardless of your support for him. Would you follow his lead, into Iran? N. Korea? Both would be bloodbaths for us, prepare to lose your friends, children, in a country thousands of miles away.
You do realize that even if Bush wanted to declare war on Iran or Korea (which there is absolutely on indication) that he would have get approval from Congress? You realize that he did get Congressional approval to declare war on Iraq.

You Kerry supporters amaze me, I mean how the heck do you know what Kerry is going to do? He has such an inconsistent record. How many times does he have to contradict himself? What do you think he's going to do in Iraq that will help the country?

I don't think Bush is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I think at his worst moment he will still be a better president than Kerry's best.
 


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